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Should you get gardening advice from an A.I.?

You’ve probably already heard about ChatGPT, the new artificial intelligence program by OpenAI that is being called “scarily good.” Well, okay, I thought, maybe it is scarily good about techy stuff but how good is it with gardening advice? So I asked it this fairly basic question.

chlorosis shrub leaves

What causes plant leaves to turn yellow with green veins?

Here is what ChatGPT answered:

“Leaves on plants that turn yellow with green veins is a condition known as chlorosis. Chlorosis is caused by a lack of chlorophyll, which is the pigment that gives leaves their green color. The green veins on the leaves indicate that the plant is still producing some chlorophyll, but not enough to fully color the leaves.”

Okay — so far so good, I thought. And it continued…

“There are several causes of chlorosis, including:

  1. Nutrient deficiencies: A lack of iron, manganese, zinc, or other essential nutrients can cause chlorosis. This is often due to a lack of these nutrients in the soil, or a pH imbalance that makes it difficult for the plant to absorb them.
  2. Disease: Some plant diseases can cause chlorosis, such as leaf spot or rust.
  3. Pest infestations: Pests such as spider mites or aphids can suck the sap from the leaves, causing them to turn yellow.
  4. Environmental factors: Extreme heat, cold, or drought can stress plants and cause chlorosis.”

Item 2 is where ChatGPT begins to slip off the track. Leaf spot or rust do not look remotely like chlorosis; they are orangy yellow round spots on leaves not yellow leaves with green veins. Spider mites and aphids can damage plants but the effect is also spotty leaves–smaller spots–not leaves yellowing.

Then Chat GPT goes for the solution:

“To fix this issue, you need to find the root cause of the problem and take appropriate action. A soil test can help you determine the pH and nutrient levels in your soil and make recommendations for correcting any imbalances. You can also consult with a local nursery or botanical garden for help identifying and treating any diseases or pests that may be affecting your plants.”

That’s where ChatGPT ends.

My conclusion is that it offers basically good advice–as I did in an earlier post about yellowing leaves. But it falls short of the detailed information I wrote about, including short term, fast fixes to out-of-season yellowing leaves. ChatGPT clearly hedges its bet by suggesting that one should consult with a real local human being. (Or maybe a Master Gardener!)

Is ChatGPT trustworthy?

OpenAI, the company that developed this A.I. warns not to trust what ChatGPT says completely — that it sometimes just makes things up. This is a failing of other artificial intelligence programs, too. My guess is that it doesn’t want to appear ignorant — which, of course, opens the question about whether an artificial intelligence computer program can behave as if it is embarrassed by a lack of knowledge — but that is for another blog. Not this one.

I have another gardening question for ChatGPT — one that should be more challenging, but, unfortunately, the Open AI website is so busy that I haven’t been able to get on it again. I’ll report about it, if I can talk with it again.

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The dirty truth about yellowing leaves when Fall hasn’t even arrived

chlorosis shrub leaves

It is a subtle change but one day you notice that the leaves on one of your shrubs (or maybe a tree) are turning yellowish and as far as you know yellow leaves are not natural to this plant–even in Fall. You look closer and see that the veins in the leaves are still green as you can see in this photo.

Well, what you are looking at is chlorosis, a kind of iron-deficiency in plants that inhibits the development of chlorophyll, the stuff that makes green plants green and keeps them alive and growing.  It is most common in plants grown in alkaline soils with high pH.

The problem begins in the dirt, the soil in your garden.  Even in hot dry desert-like gardens there is ample iron in the soil, but unfortunately plants can’t access it. The technical causes for the iron/soil problems read like a chemistry textbook so I will skip it, but advise you to take steps to reverse the condition before it gets worse. After all, you don’t want to lose an expensive plant or tree, especially to a plant problem that is curable.

What you need to do at this time of year is apply a foliar spray of iron chelate (pronounced “key-late”) to the leaves of your plant. It is available online and probably at a local big box gardening or hardware store for less than $15. It may take repeated applications of the spray to green up your shrub again.

But even a foliar spray is a temporary solution, effective for two or three months.

The next steps are to

  • Test the pH of the soil around the plant with chlorosis using an inexpensive pH testing kit which you can easily find online.  You may want to test other parts of your garden too.  (In fact, you may want to check the pH every year!)
  • Add chelated-iron fertilizer to the soil around the plant or tree IN SPRINGTIME (not Fall).  This is a longer term solution than the foliar leaf spray.
  • Dig in extra amounts of organic materials in the Fall and the Spring to balance the soil in your plant beds to a neutral 7 pH.  If you can get it to 6.5, all the better. Plants love 6.5 pH!  Keeping a high level of organic materials in and around the plants is a long term solution to chlorosis.
Rio Grande Fax Tex Ash autumn

BTW, if you have a Fan Tex Ash tree the leaves on it will naturally turn yellow in Fall. It is one of the very few trees for hot dry gardens that has lovely Fall color. (Of course, there are the aspen trees that grow in the mountains around the deserts and also become golden in Fall.)

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In an abrupt about-face the Australians tossed out their Prime Minister who announced last week that keeping fuel prices low was more important than meeting Paris Accord climate change limits. Among the first things the new PM stated was that climate change came first–particularly in light of the severe drought that is impacting ranchers in New South Wales, outside of Sydney.

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